Shopping Cart - all good plugin writers here. [Archive]

alden

08-11-2005, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Wayners@Aug 10 2005, 09:14 PM
i think i posted in wrong place, so will link and quote here.
we need this - it will make, for alot of people, subdreamer THE cms to use for websites.

Anyone else think the same ?

It cant take that long/be that difficult to integrate a shopping cart with integration with most of the good payment gateways !?
493

Spib had made an addon to the download manager that works with paypal. I dont know what ever happened to it but its what I am using now for my site.

http://www.nvsdesigns.net

I use to use another paypal program that was really good that you can also implement. hotscripts.com is a good place for those.

FASherman

08-11-2005, 10:06 PM

Okay, folks. Lets get this one done. This IS the killer app for SD.
Start listing the features you want a store/shopping cart to have. Be specific. This can be a pretty complex feature.

Understand that I'm going to contract this one out, so it won't be free. It will come at a minimal cost JUST TO RECOUP my expenses. I'll get it back via VOLUME, not high cost. And once the costs are covered, it will become free.

geiri

08-11-2005, 11:17 PM

Your da man FASherman :)

Here is the list. ( If you need more I got another list :D )

1. Same users system as sd (in my case vBulletin)

2. Product search

3. Add tax to product

4. Give discont on products (10%), or make discount cats.

5. Products available, not available, product on order (10 pices left) (time limit 3 days left on sale)

6. Tumbnails and bigger image in shaved window. (It would be nice to have a html window for shop logo, see image) Auto generated size on thumbnail, admin controls size for big image.

7. Credit cards must be accepted. (I dont know how this works)

8. Add and remove custom poduct fields

9. send product info to friend (with link)

10. send 'more info request' (to shop)

11. Cats and subcats for products

12. price in many currency's and call for price option

13. shop is down for maintenac or other.

14. Agree to Terms doc

15. Shipping Options (and price)

16. Purchase History

17. Announcements

18. Site Documents: Shipping Information, a Terms of Agreement, and other policy documents regarding your company

19. Good language suport (everthing must be translateble)

20. Reports (sales weak, year, month)

This is a nice output of a popup window for a shop.

<title>biger image</title>
<head><script LANGUAGE="JAVASCRIPT" TYPE="TEXT/JAVASCRIPT">

var StayAlive = 20; // Number of seconds to keep window open
function KillMe(){
setTimeout("self.close()",StayAlive * 1000);
}

</SCRIPT>

</head>
<body bgcolor="#3870a8" onBlur="self.close()" onClick="self.close()">
<div align="center">
*<table border="0" width="150" bgcolor="#ffffff">
* <IMG height=50 src="http://www.mysite.com/big.gif" width=200 align=center border=0>
* <tr>
* *<td height="100" align="center" valign="bottom">
* *<?
$picName = $_REQUEST['picName'];
$s="<img src=\"$picName\">";
* *echo $s;
* *?>
</td>
* </tr>
*</table>
</div>
</body>

duylamng

08-12-2005, 08:14 AM

Spib had made an addon to the download manager that works with paypal.
where can find this addon?

spence

08-12-2005, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by duylamng@Aug 12 2005, 04:14 AM
where can find this addon?
519

It is no longer available as an add-on.
But, it will be included in the next official release of the DLM.

rgbman

08-12-2005, 10:13 PM

geiri has listed a good set of features.
If I can add some, and these are just suggestions so some could be saved for later in order to get a core version of the shopping cart out.

I will also update this post as more come to me.
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-Profile option for those who are part of your forum but do not want to recieive emails about new products.

-Newsletters to those who did sign up featuring new products that admin select

-top sold products

-top viewed products

-paypal integration - for IPN I think you need SSL

-paypal address correction - if the customer selects paypal for payment. Have the shopping cart grabe the address from paypal as this will keep the buyer protection from paypal.

-real time shipping calculator - this would be awesome
I think USPS and UPS have their api s online for anyone but fedex requires you to prove some stuff e.g. American company and some others

liquidCreativity

08-14-2005, 08:23 AM

This is a much needed plugin for a large percentage of Subdreamer clients, I'm glad to see this need being addressed and would like to extend my help in any way possible.

I would like to add that aside from the upcoming DLM, it would be nice to have an option that would allow for sale and downloading of electronic media through the "shopping cart" as well as tangible products. Example products could be an ebook, stock photography, sound FX, music loops, etc.

liquidCreativity

08-24-2005, 01:10 PM

Any news or developments on this that can be shared?

abcohen

08-24-2005, 02:04 PM

yah its a big job and spib or FASHerman is working on it... they'll post when something is going on...

liquidCreativity

08-24-2005, 04:28 PM

thanks abcohen, I was hoping some of this good payment processing stuff would be added to the DLM v1.3, but didn't see anything.. hence the question. ;)

kristoz

08-24-2005, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by spence@Aug 12 2005, 09:55 PM
It is no longer available as an add-on.
But, it will be included in the next official release of the DLM.
537

DLM released today, but add-on isn't there, could you please share this with me?

abcohen

08-24-2005, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by kristoz@Aug 24 2005, 05:29 PM
DLM released today, but add-on isn't there, could you please share this with me?
836

in a one word answer: No

it would be WAREZ to share it.

spib

08-24-2005, 10:33 PM

We held off on relaesing the PayPal mod with the download manager for now although it might be released later as a Download Manager Special Edition or similar.

Regarding the comments above about working on a Shopping Cart, I can definately state that I am not working on this. I can't speak for FASherman however

geiri

08-25-2005, 12:30 AM

FASherman any comments? :)

Terminator1138

08-25-2005, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by abcohen@Aug 24 2005, 04:31 PM
in a one word answer: No

it would be WAREZ to share it.
837

I would agree with adam on this one.

This plugin is a paid for plugin in which you either have to have pro version or purchase it on subdreamerplugins.com

To ask for it via share is basically asking someone to give you free music and other software, known as warez.

kristoz

08-26-2005, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by Terminator1138@Aug 25 2005, 07:55 PM
I would agree with adam on this one.*

This plugin is a paid for plugin in which you either have to have pro version or purchase it on subdreamerplugins.com

To ask for it via share is basically asking someone to give you free music and other software, known as warez.
846

I am a pro user!

spib

08-26-2005, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by kristoz@Aug 26 2005, 06:37 AM
I am a pro user!
859

The PayPal addon has never been a free plugin for pro users. It's a plugin I wrote before I joined the Subdreamer team and which users had to pay for. If we decide to release it as an official Subdreamer plugin then you will be able to download it. Until then no-one should be redistributing it (not that I think anyone is).

kristoz

08-27-2005, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by spib@Aug 26 2005, 09:30 AM
The PayPal addon has never been a free plugin for pro users. It's a plugin I wrote before I joined the Subdreamer team and which users had to pay for. If we decide to release it as an official Subdreamer plugin then you will be able to download it. Until then no-one should be redistributing it (not that I think anyone is).
866

OK, sir

spib

09-25-2005, 01:11 PM

Just a quick note to say the PayPal plugin is available for sale once again at http://www.brilliantwebsolutions.co.uk

thomas

09-25-2005, 11:44 PM

great work spib.

d_source

09-26-2005, 08:12 AM

Is there a demo available in the future ?

d_source

alden

09-26-2005, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by d_source@Sep 26 2005, 08:12 AM
Is there a demo available in the future ?

d_source
1333

Its what I have been running on my site for the past few months.

d_source

09-26-2005, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by alden@Sep 26 2005, 12:17 PM
Its what I have been running on my site for the past few months.
1339

How works it for you ?

d_source

thomas

09-26-2005, 11:10 PM

i have purchased it, and have installed it - install went fine, and spib has provided some good notes on how to do it etc etc....

Im finding it quite easy to use, the intergration was seemless.

vista

09-27-2005, 12:09 AM

Unless I'm missing something here, what happened to the Shopping Cart idea? I fail to see how the Pay Pal plugin could function the same way since it appears to be tied into downloaded products rather than actual physical products that would need to be shipped.

thomas

09-27-2005, 12:14 AM

the shopping cart is still a good idea and is needed, i forgot to ask that earlier..

the paypal addition for the download manager is completly different to the shopping cart idea that people have had input into the directon of it in this thread.

dose anyone know what is going on with the cart? any code? anyone need help?

d_source

09-27-2005, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by thomas@Sep 26 2005, 11:10 PM
i have purchased it, and have installed it - install went fine, and spib has provided some good notes on how to do it etc etc....

Im finding it quite easy to use, the intergration was seemless.
1372

Thanks for your reply thomas ! We hope someone is working on a Shopping Card for the future ! But the Pay Pal Addon is a good beginning !

Sincerely

d_source

thomas

09-27-2005, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by d_source@Sep 27 2005, 06:34 PM
Thanks for your reply thomas ! We hope someone is working on a Shopping Card for the future ! But the Pay Pal Addon is a good beginning !

Sincerely

d_source
1377

lol. i assume someone has started it? the forum started like a rocket and this thread has sorta stopped.

Anyone know whats going on?

People are here to help

d_source

09-27-2005, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by thomas@Sep 27 2005, 07:48 AM
lol. i assume someone has started it? the forum started like a rocket and this thread has sorta stopped.

Anyone know whats going on?

People are here to help
1379

:P

jared68

09-28-2005, 02:33 PM

Anyone heard anything from FASherman about the shopping cart plugin? i've been searching the net for the best content management system for an upcoming site and this one is awesome...just need ecommerce. I'll be purchasing the plugin the day it comes out.

shoppingtelly

10-07-2005, 03:10 PM

Ooooh.... a shopping cart plugin would be excellent. We are looking for some kinda of shopping cart and looks like we'll have to use an external one such as oscommerce of clickcartpro and link to it, would have been brilliant to get one that allowed it all to be part of the site.

Easily would have paid for such a thing, but would need in the next month or so.

IGGY

10-07-2005, 04:24 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(shoppingtelly @ Oct 7 2005, 07:10 AM) 1612</div>
Ooooh.... a shopping cart plugin would be excellent. We are looking for some kinda of shopping cart and looks like we'll have to use an external one such as oscommerce of clickcartpro and link to it, would have been brilliant to get one that allowed it all to be part of the site.

Easily would have paid for such a thing, but would need in the next month or so.
[/b]

I created a site with a shopping kart, but it's not integrated into SD.
http://www.arcadereview.com

kristoz

10-07-2005, 04:42 PM

It would be nice if someone could intregate it with Oscommerce, but IGGY how you did that?

abcohen

10-07-2005, 07:08 PM

http://www.comersus.com/ might be a nice solution too..

evesve

10-09-2005, 08:42 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(spib @ Sep 25 2005, 03:11 PM) 1310</div>
Just a quick note to say the PayPal plugin is available for sale once again at http://www.brilliantwebsolutions.co.uk
[/b]

Some questions:
Can member pay for upgrade membership for vBulletin 3.5?
Can members pay with VISA without a PayPal-membership?
Can members make the payment without leaving my site? (All in my own language)

If you say Yes to all questions, then I will pay for it today!

spib

10-09-2005, 09:30 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(evesve @ Oct 9 2005, 09:42 AM) 1629</div>
Some questions:
Can member pay for upgrade membership for vBulletin 3.5?
Can members pay with VISA without a PayPal-membership?
Can members make the payment without leaving my site? (All in my own language)

If you say Yes to all questions, then I will pay for it today!
[/b]

1. No, we only support paying for items in the Download Manager
2. Yes
3. No, they are redirected to PayPal to make the payment, then redirected back to your website afterward

evesve

10-09-2005, 10:29 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(spib @ Oct 9 2005, 11:30 AM) 1630</div>
1. No, we only support paying for items in the Download Manager
2. Yes
3. No, they are redirected to PayPal to make the payment, then redirected back to your website afterward
[/b]

OK, thanks for a quick answer!

geiri

10-09-2005, 05:57 PM

spib, FASherman or any other coder out there.

Are any of you working on or thinking about making a Shoping cart for Subdreamer?

:rolleyes:

shoppingtelly

10-14-2005, 03:23 PM

Yeh is anyone working on this?

Seem's strange that it's such a much wanted plugin yet no one is working on it, but instead we get a reciepie plugin :(

abcohen

10-14-2005, 03:33 PM

Spib is not working on this currently...
Subduck is not working on this currently...

I cant speak for FASHerman, but I highly doubt he's working on this...

and finally I'm not working on this currently either.

As we have all chimed in on the many threads from the many boards its a HUGE TASK! it'll take A TON of hours!

So while there are no plans currently to work on this there maybe plans in the future.

alden

10-14-2005, 05:56 PM

why not just wrap an existing shopping cart into subdreamer like oscommerce or something.

shoppingtelly

10-15-2005, 12:30 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(alden @ Oct 14 2005, 06:56 PM) 1711</div>
why not just wrap an existing shopping cart into subdreamer like oscommerce or something.
[/b]

Yeh seems strange that there is so much interest for it but no one wants to work on it :(

Is definetly something I'm sure people would pay for, I know I would, and surely it would provide a new angle for new customers to consider getting subdreamer. If all 3 people worked together it wouldn't take so long!! :D

IGGY

10-17-2005, 07:08 AM

Here is a thought. I stead or writing something from scratch like some of the above said, why not use an existing open source cart like oscommerce and make a bridge to subdreamer. They have one out to bridge users from phpBB to OsC, it looks like most of the work is done in that sense.

kristoz

10-17-2005, 04:01 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IGGY @ Oct 17 2005, 07:08 AM) 1736</div>
Here is a thought. I stead or writing something from scratch like some of the above said, why not use an existing open source cart like oscommerce and make a bridge to subdreamer. They have one out to bridge users from phpBB to OsC, it looks like most of the work is done in that sense.
[/b]

That would be good idea!

royin

03-27-2006, 09:16 PM

Jeroen was working on the integration of Oscommerce but he did not finish it with succes.. There are some problems regarding the session. SD looks to be unable to work with sessions from another webapplication.

Is or isn't there a solution at this moment. Because I need a working integrated shop in about max 5 weeks from now....

bopheim

03-28-2006, 12:21 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(royin @ Mar 28 2006, 12:16 AM) 4795</div>
Jeroen was working on the integration of Oscommerce but he did not finish it with succes.. There are some problems regarding the session. SD looks to be unable to work with sessions from another webapplication.

Is or isn't there a solution at this moment. Because I need a working integrated shop in about max 5 weeks from now....
[/b]

There is no, and will not be (in the near future), a shopping plugin for Subdreamer CMS. I have spread the word about a new shopping cart that is in the works, but it's not made spes. for Subdreamer. The shopping cart is called FreeCssCart (http://www.freecsscart.com), and seems to be (still very early in development), a good cart for intergrating into other systems, like Subdreamer. I would not start to work on another cart before we have seen what this will look like. I have my hopes up... :)

william

04-06-2006, 04:35 PM

bopheim do you work for or are affliated with that company? Because they don't state on their page anything about integration with a CMS system nor specifically SubDreamer. Their development time frame is okay, but there are no teasers, screenshots, or any other info to get me excited. However I did sign up to be on their mailing list in the hopes maybe.

bopheim

04-07-2006, 07:42 AM

FreeCSScart is unlike anything else out there. First of all it is free. Second, it is all about web-standards, web 2.0, and CSS2. Third, it is made by web developers made especially for other web developers.[/b]

Since it states that it is made for other web developers, I assume that this will be 10x easier to intergrate into other systems, than what we have today.. like oscommerce etc..

72dpi

06-08-2006, 03:40 PM

Well,
Sorry to flog a dead horse,

But any1 have any developments on a cart of sorts?

All i need to do is create a simple add to cart, add totals (they can include gst), then, once ready, you jump to a Secure payment gateway.

This is the Only thing stopping me frm using Subdreamer from a perspective client at the moment.

Heavy, if i get this job, I will PVT MSG u.... (Yeah, i know u are gonna read this thread hee hee)

poo =(

HeavyEddie

06-08-2006, 07:35 PM

Oh man... I'm embarrased.

Mighty_Mouse_2006

06-09-2006, 01:14 AM

Why doesn't everyone get together and put some money in. If everyone that wanted one put in $50.00 I'm sure someone would make it.

72dpi

06-09-2006, 01:37 AM

Yeah, I'll put in for it. Currently, i am looking at adding an existing cart I have, and skinning it into the Subdreamer for now.

Someone, anyone?

Mighty_Mouse_2006

06-09-2006, 01:50 PM

I'd put in 50 too. I forgot to mention that.

Terminator1138

06-09-2006, 06:24 PM

Many have stated and a few started the project however never seems to get done and I have heard one say, too large to do, however, I would put some money into the project also and even try to help with the graphics if need be.

I really hope this one gets done, its the one plugin that would sell more subdreamer copies IMO.

For options etc, all I would like to see is paypal and 2co as payment processors added. I think a catelogue like site would fit the bill for most ppl. Anyway just my two cents.

Better yet, just write mods to zencart, cubecart, or xcart, that would suffice as well. Something like a forum integration would work. :)

Mighty_Mouse_2006

06-09-2006, 07:29 PM

If excisting carts where integrated that would leave the site ops to have to set up the commerce system that was integrated... That in itself is a chore...

72dpi

06-10-2006, 08:35 AM

Well,

Paypal integration payment methods can be seen here:

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_...gration-outside (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_additional-payment-integration-outside)

This Plugin choulfd be very basic to bgin with, Ie, costs on the site already include tax etc.

I need to make the cart send to a Merchant (apparently this is all sorted on their old site). Anyone wanna do this?, I will put forth $75 US dollars to anyone who can do this, so, If U are in Mighty Mouse, that's $125 US so far.

RThere's gotta be someone out there who can make this killer plugin?

HeavyEddie

06-10-2006, 10:27 AM

I did some research last night on authorize.net and have a pretty good understanding of their gateway and how it works. It seems to be one of the more excepted gateways and will work with 2co as well.

To be honest... pretty similar to some mappings I've done in the past for EDI. In my past life when I worked with ERP systems, this kind of stuff was always viewed as more difficult than it really was. I think we have made this into something considerably more difficult than it really is.

I can, and will build a cart. Reading through this topic again has really convinced me that it needs to happen. I'm going to finish up all of my current plugins and work solely on this one. Hopefully, I can dedicate so real time to this beginning in July.

72dpi

06-11-2006, 02:13 AM

Sweet Ed!

i will Contact U this week =)

kernel

07-23-2006, 10:32 PM

Any update on this plugin?

HeavyEddie

07-23-2006, 11:19 PM

I still have plans on tackling this in August. I'm sure it will be mid August, but it is a project I'm looking forward to.

tpfrs

07-28-2006, 01:19 PM

How much would it cost for someone to write this plugin? There has been people saying their willing to contribute $50. I would too. How do we go about geting someone committed to writing it?

IGGY

07-28-2006, 03:27 PM

Here are some links to help out:

http://www.thewatchmakerproject.com/journa...p-shopping-cart (http://www.thewatchmakerproject.com/journal/276/building-a-simple-php-shopping-cart)

http://elouai.com/free-shopping-cart.php

http://www.stefashwell.com/tutorials/entry/6/

http://www.webtechniques.com/archives/2000/11/junk/

http://www.finalwebsites.com/snippets.php?id=32

Vanceone

07-31-2006, 08:46 PM

In fact, a shopping cart plugin is what I have been working on; I hope to have at least an alpha release this week.

I reserved 3 plugins back in May. One of them will be the shopping cart, and one will be a shopping cart update; i.e. a small box you can toss on any page letting your users know that they have items in their cart and a link to check out.

The trick with using any old cart, like oscommerce, is actually getting it all to work in SD and with SD's systems. I.e. the admin panels, etc. I looked at modifying a few for a while, then just decided it would be easier and better to write one from scratch. With Subdreamers user systems, etc--it's easier that way.

Donations, of course, are happily accepted :D.

HeavyEddie

07-31-2006, 10:10 PM

Great news! I can't wait to see how this turns out.

tpfrs

08-01-2006, 08:44 AM

Yeah me too. With the functionality of a shopping cart this will in my opinion, bring SD to a new level. It will certainly help my sites.

djxpire

09-24-2006, 08:18 PM

what happen to those posts we made?

Terminator1138

09-27-2006, 03:55 PM

what happen to those posts we made?as explained on main sd site, anything after 8-5-06 was lost due to server hardware failure which any backups stored there would be lost also. Adam has done a wonderful job to get this board up and running and unfortunately there is no way to go back in time to get the posts :), eerr, wait call Marty, and Doc....anyone got a Delorian :)

jhobbs

09-27-2006, 07:36 PM

Vanceone, you don't accept email or PMs, so I'm using this forum. Sorry. But I hope you'll publish your progress on the cart.

Vanceone

09-28-2006, 06:28 PM

I don't accept email or PM's? Really? Odd. I thought I did. *sigh* *edit--just checked. The move to VB defaulted to those options off, I've reenabled them*

In any case: plugin update. It's going well. I have a screenshot located here. (http://www.harmonyforever.com/cpg143/displayimage.php?pos=-518)

Let me explain a bit of what that screenshot shows. Yes, the looks are kind of bad. I will take 72dpi up on his offer to help "pretty it up."

However: The products in this screenie are stored in a mysql database, and the images are loaded from a folder. I plan on making the folder a folder for regular sized pictures, and resizing the thumbnail on the fly, I think.

I am, at the moment, testing with only two products. I have implemented the permission checking, as well. Here (http://www.harmonyforever.com/cpg143/displayimage.php?pos=-519) is a screenshot with the permissions in place. As you can see, the only thing I've done is log out--and since I've made the two products invisible to Guests, I am not authorized to view any products.

The shop is working with url segments in place at the moment; thus easy bookmarking of products is working. For example, the "Harmony T-Shirt", or product # 1, will be easily viewable from the url "index.php?category=XX/shop/product/1" where XX is the category you have installed the plugin at.

The add to cart buttons work; though I have not as yet implemented the actual adding to cart. However, development is fairly rapid when I get a chance to work on it, so perhaps later on today or tomorrow I'll have more screenies, with a much more complete front end.

Behind the scenes, the users are being loaded from Subdreamer properly, via the username. A database session class has been loaded for guests as well, so we can keep track of their progress through the system.

At the moment, however, guest sessions only work for a vanilla SD install; I've not gotten around yet to fixing it for IPB--just a few lines of code. What I need is the cookie prefix structure for all the forums SD integretes with--I.e. what the "session id" is that SD stores in the cookie for each forum. So for those of you integreted with VB or SMF or phpbb, could I ask a huge favor? If you know the cookie prefixes, or how SD handles it in one of those forum settings, can you post what I should use? For example, vanilla SD uses this in the cookie: sdsessionid. And then there's 32 characters of gobbledook.

To find this out, create a custom plugin. In the plugin, please enter the following code:

<?php vardump ($_COOKIE); ?>

and toss it on a page somewhere. Load the page, and you'll get a whole mess of info, I think. Look for anything resembling a "sessionid" or a 32 characther long alphanumeric string. SMF may have issues; I'm suspicious of what it is using. Thanks!

Or, one of the devs of SD may take pity on me and tell me exactly. :D

kernel

09-28-2006, 06:43 PM

Good. What about purchasing that plugin? Still costs 50$ ($30 if bought now) ? Still accept only Paypal ? What gateways supported - 2checkout ?

Vanceone

09-28-2006, 06:52 PM

Yes, it will still cost $50, but $30 if pre-ordered before release. At the moment, I myself only accept paypal; though the plugin will have paypal and authorize.net and 2checkout gateways, with others to follow after release. Once I get my merchant account info up and going, and the plugin enter's beta, I will put it up on a SD site somewhere, and orders will be accepted via it.

My paypal account is vanceone@yahoo.com.

kernel

09-28-2006, 11:09 PM

Well, if orders will go through SD then credit card paymen is available..
I cant use Paypal but want to buy it now.

Terminator1138

10-30-2006, 09:08 PM

wonder how this project is going...

abcohen

10-31-2006, 01:13 PM

two cents of pre-orders (my own experiences)

I wouldnt preorder a software untill I've read the reviews or know the programmer/software company - there is always a chance that someone will setup some nice looking image get a ton of preorder cash and walk into the sunset with nothing more being able to be done - cause they'll tell you its 4 weeks away and paypal wont be able to get your money back by then... so just a grain of salt - everyone should do what they want... but I'll wait to I see alot of Yipppeeeesss and wow this is amazing before I order it.