Plugin Announcements

[jabi1]

Could someone please explain to me why a plugin that is not free is promoted in the announcements while there never been any announcements made when free plugins are released here?

On the Home page of this site you state:
Subdreamer.org was founded with the sole purpose of providing the Subdreamer and Subdreamer Light user community a single source for high-quality, free modifications, skins, tools and graphics to use with your Subdreamer powered website. Not to say that it's not a good tool but I'm curious as to the reason for making the announcement.

Thank you.

[thomas]

yes, i was actually going to ask the same thing, same thing goes for .com as well

[Terminator1138]

I agree also. He is also a team member of SD LLC. Frankly I do not care if subduck says its okay. What if we developed something, Im sure we would have mods all over us about it. Just my two cents.

And since spib is a team member using the code of Download manager (err, maybe is a whole different one), then can I use the source code and market or charge for my modifications and get away with it?

[abcohen]

Frankly,
I've gotten 20 Private Messages in the last 2 months asking about it or for it - I believe we have 2 or 3 threads that talk about it or asked about it... I know I merged 2 or 3 threads together in a one week span.
Sorry if you dont like it -- but its there as an annoucement to make people aware (quickly aware)

[spib]

And just to clarify one more time, the PayPal Addon uses zero code from the Subdreamer Download Manager. 100% of the addon code was written by me way before I worked on Subdreamer.

[jabi1]

I fully agree that people need to know when a new plugin is released. What I don't understand is your giving preference to certain individual(s). When you say you received 20 PMs over the last 2 months, while that shows a definite interest in the plugin, I don't see how it justifys what appears to be in violation of the spirit (or "prime directive") of SD.org which is Subdreamer.org was founded with the sole purpose of providing the Subdreamer and Subdreamer Light user community a single source for high-quality, free modifications, skins, tools and graphics to use with your Subdreamer powered website.
Also, you state that Announcements are for All major announcements in relation to the Subdreamer brand. How does the release of a single-purpose add on qualify as a major announcement in relation to the Subdreamer brand?

There is a thread for Plugin ID's. Why is this one not used? It would be a simple matter to add a $ and link to the site where the plugin is available for any that are not offered at SD.com or SD.org. By keeping that thread current, with additional information and allowing a sort by plugin name it would be a more efficient and fair method of advising SD users of available plugins and status.

Or, if you want to get into the business of advertising, start new threads for "Purchase Plugins" and "Purchase Skins" where developers with plugins and skins for sale could announce what they are and where to get them. You might even want to charge an advertising fee to post there.

Of even more benefit to SD users would be a page of links to 3rd party sites that offer SD related products or information, divided into categories and listed alphabetically to avoid any appearance of favoritism. You could also enable a rating and user comments system for users to rank the value of and provide comments about the external site. I think the SD program is capable of doing this isn't it?

[alden]

I dont see a problem with people posting stuff they have made even if they want to sell it. Although it seems funny that noone else is allowed to do this on subdreamer.com except of course subduck's butt buddies but o well.

[Terminator1138]

Okay I will ask a question. IF I pm subduck and abcohen to have an announcement for a skin or plugin, will it be done?

That way we can get clarification. Don' get me wrong. I think what spib has done is great, but some thoughts were rambling in my head and now some of them have been answered. Jabi1 makes a valid point on the purpose of this site.

Even if spib created the plugin 100 percent, isn't there some conflict of interest being on the SD team? I do think spib should be paid for this work, but maybe subduck has already done that?

I can see what is the future of SD etc. You buy a 125 system, most of skins and plugins are not usable, then you suggest some ideas, someone takes them and markets them for 45 each, and thus to get a decent system, a person ends up paying 300 bucks for it all. The spirit of SD and having more of a team was to develop things like this, but I guess not.

ON the end note, spib excellent work. However, if you did not use or integrate any knowledge of the DManager, then is its seperate from the download manager?

[Zacman]

This isnt Spib's fault. Like he posted on subdreamer.com he didnt ask for it to be put on the announcements.

I do however agree that this one rule for one, one rule for another is a shame. indiqo.media work on behalf of subdreamer, as part of the team you may say, do they get plugs for there products in the annoucments?


It also looks bad when a developer is selling a plugin or 'addon' and then the sd community are banging out top notch skins and plugins for free. Although i must say this is alot better and problay took you 1000X longer than other peoples plugins, but you can see my point.

At the end of the day its a free contry, but personal i think subduck should have paid you for this addon on top of what you already earn.

[spib]

The addon is basically the Download Manager but with a shopping cart built in. Because I don't own the copyright for the Download Manager I cannot distribute it as part of the addon, instead the addon includes all the new code and then diff files for the changes. So, licensed Pro user downloads the Download Manager from SD.com, purchases the addon from me, drops the addon files into the Download Manager directory and then runs a batch file. Convoluted I know, but it's the only way.

I'd just like to say a couple of things here. Firstly, this has gotten way out of hand. The whole reason I put this plugin back on sale was because it's just been sitting on my computer for the last three months not being used and people kept asking about it. I also have existing users who were worried about the lack of support they were receiving for the money they paid. That was my motivation for doing it.

The whole issue of the announcements is an important one and I take the point that everyone is trying to make. However, both the announcement made here and the one at sd.com I believe were made with the best intentions. I'm sure it comes across as favouritism and I guess in a way that it is bound to be since we all work very closely together. Maybe more consideration should have been taken before the announcements were made but it's too late now. I'm sorry if any of this has caused offense but that wasn't the intention and I'm sorry to anyone who feels that way

[Zacman]

Most of the plugins that you made for subdreamer mods got taken off that website, and in the 'fall back in love with subdreamer day' they all went official, apart from one.

This obviously took more time and effort, but when you say this was produced when i didn't work for subdreamer, weren't all the other plugins that where on sdmods.com also made when you didn't work for subdreamer?

I see you as part of subdreamer team, i saw you as the subdreamer plugin developer and coder. Such a vital plugin for subdreamer is bound to be popular and it just seems strange to me why it isnt on the official downlads section with all your other plugins.

[abcohen]

This is a community website - so each time I post an annoucement I have to weight it out for the community
So in this case was the paypal addon good for the community -YES-
Was there a high demand for this plugin -YES-
out of nearly 400 users atleast 20 (if not close to 40) of them asked about this addon so 5-10% of the usersbase had asked about this...


As other users create other plugins or sell other goods will I post annoucements for them -- Right now I'll take it on a case by case...

[alden]

personally if he just gave the plugin away would that be fair for the people that paid for it? Um no! What he is doing isnt really wrong. If you dont want the plugin then shut up about it. If you do want it buy it. Personally I had a great program that i was using for my shopping cart but, I liked the way spib had this integrated with the download manager so I bought the plugin months ago. Now when the new download manager came out I needed to be able to upgrade the paypal addon to work with it and spib supported the plugin like he should have. I dont see anyone complaining about indigo.media selling their skins on subdreamerskins.com so how is this really any different?

[Terminator1138]

Well alden indigo media is part of SD LLC in a way. Since they produce for free so far, skin so subduck. However I agree with you about spib. He has every right. There is nothing wrong with what spib did IMO, its just the prefered treatment and to be fair they should announce all new plugins and give those with other plugins a fair promotion. That way, there created thread will not get lost with the high activity. Its great that spib got the announcements. IMO, what about you or TD, or anyone else that has developed what ppl ask for.

With that said, IM out.
Peace , love and joy, blah blah

[Ziad]

This is my answer: http://www.subdreamer.com/forum/showthread...31826#post31826 (http://www.subdreamer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=31826#post31826)

If you wish to continue the conversation, please post in the .com thread.